April 22, 2019
by shiraz ahmed

I interviewed M. Sagheer Muftee for my Leadership research. He is known for his exceptional professional experience and expertise in several areas, Banker Sagheer Mufti answers our all questions. Get to know him like never before from his life experience to leadership style, Mr. Mufti spills it all.
Brief Bio
I was born in Peshawar and my early education is from different cities in Pakistan. Later, I moved abroad and lived there for 27 years. After completing my Masters from George Washington University, I started my career by working with the World Bank in 1978. In 1981, after serving the World Bank for 2 years, I joined Citigroup. I served the Citigroup in various capacities for 34 years in ten different countries across the Middle East, North America, and Europe which also included Pakistan. After my Citibank experience, I joined the Abu Dhabi based ADIB for three years. Currently, I am the COO at HBL since January 2018.
What are your biggest Achievements so far?
My biggest achievement, during the last 30 plus years, would be that I was able to adopt to the different cycles of banking. I have witnessed a number of variations of financial services. I started my career in early 80s when the banking industry was just started to adopt technology and emerging markets saw one of its first financial meltdown in Latin America.

What is success to you?
To me, success is to be able to support the development of people in order to achieve the objectives that have been set for the organization. It is all about creating a win-win situation by aligning the employees and the organization to achieve mutual success. Outcomes may vary but achieving a positive outcome is the good barometer of success. For example, in a tough situation survival could be termed as a success. If the data center of an organization goes down, the organization may fall. Statistics say that 75% companies, who lost their data centers, went bankrupt. So, in such a situation if someone is able to work through a crisis , then he is successful in preventing that organization from bankruptcy.
What is the key to your success?
The key to my success is my parents’ prayers, hard work and my luck since, luck is what enables you to be at the right place at the right time. I firmly believe that all these are the keys to success. Nobody can achieve anything in the world without hard work. An athlete has to work hard and practice for years before he is able to win a race. Similarly, a singer or an actor has to work hard to win an award or an Oscar. Therefore, I believe there is, years of hard work behind a successful professional and that there are no shortcuts to success. One cannot be a jack of all trades by putting ones hands in a job and be successful without sweating and putting ones time in it. Most people achieve success by learning all aspects of their profession and by working hard.
What percentages you would like to give to these factors?
a) Parents prayers 30%
b) God’s Will 30%
c) Hard work 40%
How do you define Leadership?
I strongly believe in servant leadership model. Leadership is to serve the customer, the people you work with and to serve the interest of the organization. Our revenues are generated when customers buy our products /services and give us business. The most important factor, especially in financial institutions, is customer trust. Customers trust us with their wealth. Several studies have shown that the first thing customers worry about is their health and the second thing is their wealth. They are making you part of the second most important thing in their lives. If they give us their trust than we owe them something in return. Our return to them should be to assist them in protecting their wealth, help them in growing their wealth and be able to transact around that wealth. In addition, a good leader should also be a good human being and also be a friend in need.
What are your values?
My first value is to make sure, you serve the customer which means not to sell a bad product. Integrity is my first personal value. The second personal value is how you get along with people. Treat everybody with respect. Whether it is your senior, your colleague or your junior you must give respect, if you want to be respected.
Who inspire you as leaders? Why
At this time, I can recall 3:
1) My Parents – integrity and living with values
2) Syed Babar Ali – He knows the actual power of being positive and has knowledge about the things that are right for efficient business activities. He directed me to the path of growth and progress. Despite being busy in his own business activities, he always made himself available to people for mentoring and guidance.
3) John Gilson – a senior banker, his ability to communicate effectively and taking time out for people and take hard decisions.
How do you see ‘Wisdom’ and ‘Leadership’?
I strongly believe that you can have technocrats and managers but you cannot have leaders without wisdom. It is the ability to listen and then find the right answer. Wisdom is about trying to search for the optimal way forward versus the most profitable way forward. Because the answer of the optimal way forward can be different from the profitable way forward. Profit is just a unidirectional measure. Optimal tells you how to balance various measures to achieve the best outcome rather than just the profitable outcome. Wisdom is about keeping the needs of all the stakeholders ahead as compared to the needs of one stakeholder. Wisdom is not only about using technical knowledge but it is also about believing in your instincts, which may develop over time. Effective decision making is a combination of information and gut feeling.
What are the skills of a great leader?
Leadership require being able to dream big and technical know-how to execute on the dream. Somebody can be a very good swimmer but he or she might not know how to teach swimming. It means an athlete may not have been a good coach. A leader is like a coach. Back in 1981 when I joined the industry, since there were no computers, we used to do things by hand. I remember it was 1982, when an Apple Macintosh computer was given to our branch and before that had to learn to do things manually. To me being a good leader means to be to do things and not just preach. I think good leaders are those who are willing to roll up their sleeves and get in there to get things done. And by the way, I also do not believe that leadership is a permanent position. Different situations require different leaders and people should be humble enough to understand that they must put forward the right person for the right leadership. A great leader would step down and would say you are the better leader in this situation.
What makes you a Leader?
I think it is important to have vision and mission i.e. where you want to go and how will you get there? Leadership is about developing a mission and directing the team to attain that mission. I think being able to communicate well with stakeholders and most important being able to attract the talent, develop the talent and retain the talent to do the things you need to do. If you have the ability to attract good people you will be successful and if you do not have the ability to retain talented people you will never be successful. Talent acquisition and talent retention is very important. I think God is very kind to me; We are clear at HBL about what we are trying to do and where we are trying to take the organization. I think with this clarity and the support of the key stakeholders, we are able to move the organization in the direction that has been envisioned. We have talent and we are striving to support the right talent. If you ask me what are the future challenges? I think it is the dearth of talent in financial services.
What is the purpose of your leadership?
The purpose of my leadership is to deliver optimal results for the various stakeholders I am working with. For example your shareholders need return. Your regulators ensure that your organization is able to adhere to regulations. Both are very important stakeholders. That is why for me it is not just working for the shareholder only, but it is working for all the stakeholders. It is not about pushing forward the team’s objective. It is about optimal results. For example, it is very easy for businesses, including banks, to make a lot of money in one year. But as a leader their goal should be to sustain earning over a period of time. Not showing massive growth in one year and massive loss in the next year. Sustainability is a very important part of business results. Building capabilities for the future is a very important part of being a good leader. When you are not there , you left behind an organization which continue to excel and prosper without you, that is a real success of a good leader. To summarize it’s about resilience, continuous learning and sustainability.
What are the issues and challenges in the banking industry in Pakistan?
I think financial inclusion is one of the major challenges. If you look at the number of people in Pakistan, who do not have access to financial services, is significantly large which is really shocking. I believe strong financial services can help the people in savings which play an important role in the well-being of individuals. So, I think if banks are not providing sufficient services and products to the people in a country then it is a big issue. So, financial inclusion will be the first challenge.
The second challenge, I think is that digital products and services are becoming a reality and a very important part of how you serve the corporate sector and individual customers. I think digital services or digitization of financial industry in fact creates an opening to extend financial services to those who do not have financial services today either due to lack of access, distribution or cost effectiveness. The digitization of industry provides a huge opportunity as well a huge threat.
The third challenge is that of governance. I think we need to continue to improve the governance in the financial industry because there are multiple types of risks that we have to manage. Risk management comes from good governance frameworks. Compliance is also one of the risk and then there is the cyber risk. Reputation risk is also an important risk in the financial services today.
Treating customers fairly is also a very important issue. So, all of the above mentioned are emerging risks which have to be managed and to me, we can manage these risk well with improved governance. Good governance leads to good management of the institution .